to pay for obama's bigger government. >>neil: do you hear it is spreading? we have chatted about this before. you were open when we chatted in washington, to talk about the cliff cliff, to not equateing bringing in causes or tax loopholes and the like and closing them off, your point was as long as it leads eventually to revamping of the tax code, but this goes beyond that, they have no quid pro quo and they are offering this, you argue, what? >>guest: well, there are two ways you can damage the economy. one is to increase marginal tax rates, everyone knows the small business groups, it would kill 700,000 jobs off the bat, probably worse. the other thing is to eliminate $1 trillion, not talking about a few deductions, but talking about $1 trillion worth of deductions and credits which is what the other team wants. if you do this you have killed tax reform for a generation. how do you get the rates down if you don't have the deductions and credits. what obama is hoping to do is raids spend the money, kill tax reform for individuals. >>neil: what do you do, the house majority leade